35 ( +1 | -1 ) petroff frustrationAnybody got any attacking ideas against the petroff? I bombed out twice against it at the weekend in a tournament I was playing. Just couldn't find a way to break it down. My usual play - 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Nxe5 d6 4 Nf3 Nxe4 5 d4 d5 6 Bd3 Nc6 7 Nd2 Bf5 8 0-0 Be7 9 Re1 ... If the black knight takes the white knight on d2, I take with the queen, but the position looks horrendously equal to me. Any help would be appreciated.
172 ( +1 | -1 ) The Petrov can be a tricky beast...I've spent some time working with the Petrov (my preferred transliteration); and I think cryptos is right in saying that, against solid play by black, there are few opportunities for sharp attack, at least in the early going. The fact that this can be frustrating to a seriously tactical player was the reason I started looking into it to begin with.
In your game (and I'm assuming that it's 7. Nbd2), the problem I see is that your seventh move allows the Ne4 (which cannot be reasonably maintained on its outpost) to exchange itself without offering much in the way of a gain. The nature of the Petrov is for black to develop while white tries to undermine the interloper at e4, and by releasing the tension this early you leave black in a solit position and with a bit of initiative. I would have taken that Nd2 right away instead of waiting...
I think Nbd2 is inevitable, but it may be worthwhile to develop further, then make the exchange. Another option is to play 7. 0-0 Be7 8. c4, undermining the N's pawn protection. Black usually retreats to f6, though 8. ... 0-0 9. cxd5 Qxd5 can get fairly tactical.
3. Bc4, the Boden Gambit, is certainly playable and familiar, but white needs to watch out after 3. ... Nxe4 as the literature demonstrates that a follow-up 4. Nxe5 loses at least a pawn for white. (The "gambit" is actually 3. ... Nxe4 4 Nc3 Nxc3.) And there is certainly a Four Knights version of the Petrov, but in this case I strongly prefer (as black) 3. ... Bb4, with which I've had fair results. My advice is actually to try the 3. d4 lines (rather than 3. Nxe5), as I have the general sense that they are less understood by the Petrov-playing public.
81 ( +1 | -1 ) Sorry......I find myself disagreeing with you so much, philaretus. 3. Bc4 Nxe4 is in fact the recommended line, and I think with good reason. 4. Bxf7+ is no doubt a threat, but after 4. ... Kxf7 5. Nxe5 Kg8 it is not easy for white to mount a convincing attack: 6. Qf3 Ng4 7 Qd5+ Ne6 for instance, or 6. Qh5 g6 or ... Qf6. Black will have developmental trouble with the KR, no doubt, but the material cost is high for no lasting initiative.
I don't know why it didn't occur to me before, but you might want to try a nifty little gambit I'm quite fond of: 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7 Kxf7 when white has two pawns for the N instead of the one with the line above. This, Cochrane's Gambit, has a fair reputation and is more or less in vogue at present. Might be just the trick for an enterprising, tactical player.
42 ( +1 | -1 ) I play 4. Nxf7 regularlyIt's okay, but I'm not convinced it's entirely sound. White gets some nice attacking chances if Black decides to hang on to his piece for the two pawns, but if he gives a pawn back (usually by a timely ...d5), he gets a good game. Of course, White then tends to wind up with a big pawn center which can be very dangerous, but in the meantime, Black has good piece play (usually by ...Be7, ...Re8/f8, ...Kg8 to sort out his kingside).
25 ( +1 | -1 ) sometimes I play 4Nxf7Cochrane gambit C42, you have attack and initiative and for shure not an easy game. In Gk somebody start a minit you can watch some games. perro feo gameknot.com/mt.pl?id=2786
26 ( +1 | -1 ) Anyway, cryptos.........you see from the various posts that there are plenty of promising alternatives to the line you quoted in the first message.
And bucklehead, don't worry about disagreeing with me, it's what we're here for. ;)
29 ( +1 | -1 ) PetrovWhy not to try 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3!? Shirov used it nicely in the Russia vs. The World mach couple of years ago. He got some nice attacking positions. Opposite side castling, pawn storms etc. That's ir you enjoy attacking. One can also use the Morozevich line to get the opponent off theory -- 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Bd3!?
22 ( +1 | -1 ) thanks guys!thanks for all the helpful advice. I'm off to research a few lines...By the way I looked at my line again and thought that exchanging the f3 knight later on e5 led to good attacking play, with the dark-squared bishop coming to h6 and the queen to g3. Ta ta for now!