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| Posted by alice02 austinfilmfestival.org 10/08/2008 04:24:07 Play online chess |  Subject: grandmasters and sportMessage: grandmasters can see a large number of moves ahead and large numbers of possible combinations. In Australia there was recently a game of football - a Grand final - where Manly won 40-0 against Melbourne. Melbourne was tipped to win. It set me thinking as to whether any sports required the same type of thinking as chess. I guess the difference with sport is that the pieces (players) keep moving while the player is analysing. some of the tactics of manly looked just like chess moves to me (Wouldn't dream of saying that in Australia - the players might be really insulted). Do you think there is any comparison between chess thinking and sports thinking and which sports? | ||||||||||||||||
| Posted by ccmcacollister austinfilmfestival.org 10/10/2008 10:18:57 Play online chess | Sure ... Message: player now says "Texas Hold'em" uses a lot of Chess skills. I guess he should know, as he picked up over $20,000 for a top 10 Poker finish too. (Seems to pay over 5 times more n Chess, but the entry fees can be that much higher too!). If we can call cards a sport, etc etc. I feel like Chess has a lot of similarity, in the strategic thinking, to American Football ... especially, if the team is one that uses multiple offensive and defensive formations, as most do. Also there is strategy in Baseball such as the "dual" between pitcher and batter. How close the batter stands ...what pitches and speed they are thrown to him. But also where the Fielders are placed, since the batter may chose to attempt to hit long, short, gaps or bunt. Also base stealing and sacrifice hits. And if baseball fits then Cricket, is just sort of baseball with lunch in the middle ... :)) | ||||||||||||||||
| Posted by blake78613 austinfilmfestival.org 10/11/2008 09:52:50 Play online chess | Message: ——— Vishy Anand saves his strength before world match with Veselin Topalov — Vishy Anand, who defends his world title against Veselin Topalov at Sofia in April, kept his powder dry in his warm-up chess event at Corus Wijk where the Indian, 40, played at full force in only a few games. In contrast Topalov, 34, has played hard in almost every game this week at the Linares elite chess tournament in Andalusia, where he won first prize with 6.5/10, half a point ahead of Russia's Alex Grischuk. The Bulgarian squeezed points from tiny advantages and by round six had regained the world No1 spot on the live chess ratings from Magnus Carlsen. These daily updated rankings have a huge following and their prestige is now not far short of ... Posted by doctor_knight | austinfilmfestival.org 10/11/2008 23:59:33 Play online chess Message: Back to the original topic: I think many sports are like chess in different ways. I study martial arts and have made many comparisons between martial arts and chess. Jujitsu is especially similar to chess since it has one ultimate goal of submission and everything else is really just changing the position to try to get a setup for a submission. Striking is also quite similar in different respects. There's a lot of combo work in striking that is vaguely similar to combination in chess. In both grappling and striking there is a lot of anticipating the opponent's next move and laying "traps". You have to tangle a bit and find your opponent's weakness or create one with either damage or threats. Then you have to attack your opponent's weakness in different ways depending on what it is. Once you have successfully exploited the opponent's weakness it usually means you have access to different ways to further increase your advantage until you have a win. You also have to time things right or they lose their effectiveness. Initiative has a huge roll as well. In addition, you can usually win almost instantly with a knockout or submission (like a checkmate) Of course tennis and chess are also like this in many ways too. When it comes down to basic strategic principles, most forms of competition are very much alike. What really makes chess different than other stuff is the 64 squares where battle takes place and the geometric movement of the pieces. Simply put, it is competition. The field of battle and the rules make various forms of competition different from each other, but almost all forms of competition possess the same types of strategic principles. ——— A Match All About the Sicilian — An unusual chess match is being held in South Carolina. It pits Judit Polgar of Hungary, the strongest woman chess payer in history, who is now ranked No. 46 in the world, but once was in the top 10, against Gregory Kaidanov, a Ukrainian-born American grandmaster, who is ranked No. 261. The match is four games and has an interesting twist: Each game begins with a different variation of the Sicilian Defense. The first game was on Monday and was won by Kaidanov, who had White, and featured the Sveshnikov. The second, which was won by Polgar, was on Tuesday and was a Dragon. The third chess game, which is being played on Wednesday, and can ... Posted by blake78613 | austinfilmfestival.org 10/12/2008 08:57:54 Play online chess Message: Using a Gable grip would have been illegal from the par terre (referees) position. In fact I got penalized in a college match for using an S grip after my opponent had sat out. Most throws were also illegal. If you had an opponent in a fireman's carry, you had to place at least one knee on the mat before placing him on the mat. I know that collegiate wrestling has become closer to free-style to keep American's competitive; and I think its a pity and less chess like. ——— The f-pawn, part 2: is f5 the answer here? — Does White have a better option than moving the f-pawn? Continuing our look at the chess equivalent of route one football – the f-pawn advance... RB Well, let's see what happens when we push – 1 f5. The answer comes back faster than Manchester United on the break, not much. Black is under no compulsion to take the pawn and can instead centralise with 1…Nd4 or even 1…Qd4, or start getting the queen's rook into play with 1…Rac8, and 1…Nb4, hitting the d-pawn, would be irritating. All right, let's try to be logical. What's wrong here is that even if we could swap off pawns on the f-file, the f1-rook would remain blocked by the bishop. Let's ... Posted by ccmcacollister | austinfilmfestival.org 10/12/2008 12:51:50 Play online chess blake .. Message: However, despite retiring undefeated [One pin, two forfeits], from High School he never came recruiting . . . I'll have to pM you about the part played by the Gable Grip tho~! . . . }8-) ——— Big Surprises in Europe — Europe has been a center of chess activity over the last month with a series of major open tournaments. The first was the Gibtelecom Chess Festival in Gibraltar, which ran from Jan. 26 through Feb. 4. Among the world-class chess players who competed were Etienne Bacrot of France, Sergei Movsesian of Slovakia, Francisco Vallejo Pons of Spain, Michael Adams of England, and Gata Kamsky of the United States. The chess tournament ended in a nine-way tie for first, with Adams winning a four-person playoff to take the title. The Moscow Open, which overlapped with Gibtelecom and ended on Feb. 7, was divided into four sections — A, B, C and D — with ... Posted by doctor_knight | austinfilmfestival.org 10/13/2008 02:18:51 Play online chess Message: I do remember what you were talking about with not grasping hands in the up position. You usually put one hand on the opponent's arm and one hand on his belly. However, some techniques like power-half nelsons and the cradle required grasping hands. The 3/4 nelson also required grasping hands. Now, to stay on topic, how would it make it less chess like? It just means you have a slightly different set of techniques and positions to learn and deal with. ——— Topalov Closes In on Linares Title — After eight rounds, Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria, the top seed, holds a one point lead in the annual Ciudad de Linares chess tournament in Spain. Alexander Grischuk of Russia, the defending champion, is in second place after beating Vugar Gashimov of Azerbaijan in Round 8 on Sunday. Levon Aronian of Armenia is in third, having managed, like Topalov, not to have lost a game in the chess tournament. Unlike Topalov, who has won three games, Aronian has not won a game either. So far, 25 percent of the games have been decisive, but that does not mean that the other 75 percent have been dull. Quite the contrary. The games have mostly been hard fought and exciting, even ... Posted by blake78613 | austinfilmfestival.org 10/13/2008 12:28:07 Play online chess Message: You were allowed to grasp hands to execute a pinning combination, but not to prevent your opponent from escaping. I'm not sure what you mean by power-half nelson, but you don't have to grasp your hands to apply a half-nelson. Applying a half-nelson if you hadn't broken your opponent down was tricky business. You had to keep your body at a right angle to your opponent, if not your opponent would have the leverage needed from your half-nelson to roll and pin you. The reason I think folkstyle is more like chess is because the down wrestler would use a combination of moves to escape reversal. The counter to one his moves would set up another move. You would think about 4 or 5 moves ahead. In freestly wrestling reversals or escapes or almost unheard, and you don't see these combinations. The wrestler on the bottom is reduced to passive defense and only tries to prevent his opponent from throwing him on his back. Here is an example of an American wrestler (Jackie Berube) trying to make the transition to freestyle wrestling. She would later become a great freestyle wrestler and get second at the world championships.  www.youtube.com Posted by doctor_knight | austinfilmfestival.org 10/15/2008 01:08:51 Play online chess Message: There are certain problems with grasping hands too. One of the problems is that it's a lot harder to control the way the opponent's body is turning. But probably the biggest problem with grasping hands is that you can't control the opponent's arms and on the ground, he can usually use them to resist effectively. But the main thing is that just like chess, in order to turn the tide from a losing position, the one on the winning side has to give a concession like a shift of balance. I think I was using the term throw incorrectly. I guess what I was really talking about was taking the opponent's feet off of the ground. Of course now I do remember a takedown with wrist control where you kept the opponent's arm tight against your chest as you put pressure on the top of his shoulder forcing him down. And a power-half is a technique to use if the opponent is resisting the normal half by arching his neck. If you are trying to get the half nelson with the right hand, you would put your left forearm on his neck, grasp your hands, and force his head down so you could slip your right hand in and get the normal half. (an interesting aside; there is a takedown from the clinch that lands the opponent immediately in a half-nelson pin. One of the guys on my high school team used this to pin someone in less than 30 seconds. Of course he was a state champ, but...) That video was interesting, but one thing that annoyed me were the comments that said, "she must have a judo background." Whatever, those were just perfect head throws which is a pure wrestling move. personally the part of wrestling that is fascinating to me is in neutral position because it is one of the only practical applications of wrestling in real fighting. However you learn a lot of really good things about balance and positioning from the ground work, you just learn lots of bad habits too. but anyway, I may be getting too off-topic. I think the main point is this: the person on top has an advantage. It's like chess; once you crowd your opponent in, the only real way for him to break out is for you to make a concession like allowing him to trade pawns or something. With correct play, a chess player with advantage should always win. The problem really becomes psychological then. You don't necessarily have to use a combination in wrestling or in chess to fight back from a losing position. A lot of times, you can defend positionally as well. Perhaps free style doesn't allow as many combinations from the bottom, but maybe it allows more positional defense. It seems more like two different openings to me rather than one being more like chess than the other. Posted by blake78613 | austinfilmfestival.org 10/15/2008 09:33:14 Play online chess Message: I didn't mean to imply that freestyle wrestling doesn't require, but I think it puts more of a premium on power and less on thinking. Here is a video that demonstrates that American college wrestlers can convert to freestyle: www.youtube.com
and finally sticking to the chess analogy, here is what Dan Gable thinks about playing for draw: www.youtube.com
Posted by ccmcacollister | austinfilmfestival.org 10/15/2008 16:31:08 Play online chess Speaking ... Message: training regimen while they were learning to become great Chessplayers. Besides Chess being practiced/studied everyday, they also learned to play Table-Tennis (aka Ping-Pong). According to one male T-T opponent who took them on, he had a very difficult time of it, tho he was considered a good player. I cannot recall who he was now, but it seems he expected an easier time of it. Personally, I don't see how the strategy might be anywhere nearly as complex as in Chess [ Then again, I was famously Bad at table-tennis, so there might be some things I "just don't get" about it :) ] . But he said the sisters demonstrated a mindset very comparable to the killer-glee they can display in playing Chess~! I do feel like character and attitude learned from Chess or from Sports could be very useful and transferrable to use in the other activity. Also sportsmanship. Perhaps the concentration is similar!? }8-) |